[龙腾翻译] 印度防务论坛：三哥热议j-21 / j-31中国第五代隐形战斗机？。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
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http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/41751-j-21-j-31-chinese-5th-generation-stealth-fighter.html
【内容提要】防务论坛贴出了中国最近出现的沈飞j-31的照片，与中国军事论坛中的三张照片一样，不再贴出照片。直接上评论。
1.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
looks small then JXX, must be JXXX.
看起来比JXX小，一定是JXXX。
2re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
Is this the same plane which was spotted on Chinese highway being taken in high security.
这与先前在中国高速公路上采取高安保措施的飞机是同一款吗？
3.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
Where are our Chinese members ? J20 launch thread was buzzing with activity
我们的中国屌在哪里？J20正在高潮狂射中。
4. re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
It looks big infact.
Without canards too.
Is this Shenyang's prototype which lost to Chengdu's J-20?
这恐怕是个大事件。
它也没有鸭翼。
这是沈飞惜败于成飞J-20的原型机吗？
5. Look at the Engine, looks like WS-10 or something Chinese
although J-20 looks leagues ahead of J-31
看看引擎，看起来像WS - 10或中国的其它发动机
尽管J20看起来遥遥领先j-31。
This prototype and the J-20 look so much alike. As though the same company built both.
The only thing different are the fins which don't look like they are all movable.
这原型机和J-20看起来太像了，他们两个好像是同一家公司建造。
唯一不同的是固定翼，它们看起来是不可移动的。
6.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
Its has the front potion of the canopy just like the one in the prototype, doesn't have a bubble canopy like J20.
它正像原型机那样拥有一个前置的罩，而不像J20那样有一个完整的舱盖。
cheap stuff for Pakistan.
为巴基斯坦准备的便宜货。
What about the lethal stuff?
是某种致命的东西吗？
for those who can afford it.
为那些能承受得起的人准备的。
Pakistani
哈哈 巴基斯坦
yeah some pieces can be thrown in for soft term loan, later on may be thrown for free, since no one else will buy Chini maal.
有些东西可以通过软贷款扔给巴基斯坦，以后可能会抛出免费的，因为没有人会买天朝货。
if i Am not wrong than it was supposed to be for the navy
i guess Pakistan will wait for the single engine j2x or FC-2
如果我没有错的话它应该是提供给海军的，
我想巴基斯坦将会等待单引擎的j2x或fc-2。
There are two options from what I remember. It is not written in stone though.
There was talk of a 4.5th generation twin engine aircraft like Rafale for export and a 5th gen single engine aircraft for export.
Too early to say what this aircraft is meant for.
尽管我的记忆没有刻进石头里，我依然深深记得只有两个选项。一个是4.5代双引擎飞机像阵风出口型，另一个是五代外贸型单引擎飞机。
说这架飞机意味着什么为时尚早。
7.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
engines must be the Ws13b(or Ws12 with 95 kn thrust)
the internal bay might be even smaller than f35
发动机一定是涡扇13b（或95千牛推力的涡扇12）
内置仓可能小于f35的。
8．re: J-21/.-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
some Chinese member
name 鹘鹰 (hu yin)
width:11.5
now position :yanliang filght Strength Research Institute( xi'an ,shanxi )
某中国人
名字 鹘鹰 (hu yin)
宽度11.5
现位于陕西西安阎良试飞中心 （丫的，你去揭秘呀。）
9.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
Could this be first photos of J-21/J-31, SAC/601's answer to Chengdu's J-20?
Saturday, September 15, 2012
这是2012年9月15日星期六，j-21 / j-31的第一张照片吗？ 这是中航工业601所对成飞j-20的回应？
It isn't Shenyang's logo.
此非沈飞之标志也。
What is that? In the second image!
第二张图你没看见呀，那是什么？
The model is AVIC, but the aircraft is not.
该标志是中航工业的，但飞机上不是。
10.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
oops...it's just some PS work.dont take it seriously.^_-
哎呀妈呀，这只是PS作品，哎吗别太当真。
11.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
Gates: Do not visit china in january
Panetta: Sh!t....i thouGHt you were right....
盖茨：不要再一月访问中国！
帕内塔：操，我想你是对的。
12.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
This is a medium-weight low-cost fighter, and it is by no means a competitor to Chengdu's J-20, actually this fighter has not even get officially approval from the Airforce.
On J-20 2001 you can clear see the PLA's official red stars there, but this fighter only get SAC's factory symbol, suggesting the fact it is not an offical airforce project, rather an AVIC's self-funded project targeting export market,and hope to get orders from PLA in the future.
这是一款中型低成本战机，它绝不是成飞J-20的竞争对手，事实上该战斗机甚至没有得到空军官方的正式批准。
而在J-20 2001这架飞机上你可以清楚地看到中国人民解放军的官方红星标志，而这架飞机只有沈飞的厂标。这其实并不是一个官方的空军工程，解放军着眼未来，这是中航的自费项目，针对的是出口市场，并寄望获得海外订单。
12.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
Without engines?
我滴个操了，没引擎啊？
13. re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
even the security guards near that fighter are not from military, looks like private security. Does it mean it is not official project, i am sure it is not top prority project. May be for cheap export to friendly third world countries only.
If i am China i dont want my JXX to be quietly flown to US arms by PAF pilot on payrole. Therefore some third rated Cheap product for PAF.
甚至那架战斗机的旁的警卫都不是来自于军方，看起来像是私人保镖。这是否意味着它不是正式的项目，哥确信这不是最高优先项目。也许只是便宜的，仅仅是出口到友好的第三世界国家。
如果哥是中国的话，哥可不想通过巴勒斯坦阿拉伯阵线的飞行员在赎罪日鸟悄儿地飞向美军，尽管这是巴阿阵线第三等级的廉价产品。
14.re: J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter ?
oh ,please...I always can't understand why someone could comment on everything with so much self confidence...which proved to be wrong finally every time.
1. both CAC and SAC are in the same group company: AVIC
2. both CAC and SAC are State owned ,not PLA owned.
this jet is spotted in SAC...
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a little more basic info about this project...
1.this is not the prototype of the Northern team for the 4th Gen fighter bidding.(this bidding was over before 2007).as we know ,the winner is the J20 project of Southern team.
2.this is a official project of northern team and completely funded by AVIC group(no funds from the State and PLA, unlike the J20) . and it began in around 2008 after the defeat of northern team
3.this project aims at the international market ...and another customer would be the PLANAF.
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about the engine...it is fitted with WS13 now...but obviously, this jet uses this for initial test period only.
噢，哥的湿婆，且慢……哥揍是不明白为什么有人可以介么自信地评论一切，而且每次到最后都被证明是错的。
沈飞和成飞从属于一个集团公司：中航工业。
沈飞成飞都是国有的，不属于解放军。
介架飞机的故事源于沈飞。。。。
关于这个过程的一点背景：
这不是北方团队关于第四代战机的投标（投标2007年就结束了），我们知道获胜的是南方团队的J20项目。
这完全是一个中航工业北方团队的正式项目（不像J20，它没有国家和军队资助），它大约始于败北于南方团队的2008年。
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